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Post by fbguru on Feb 4, 2008 20:23:21 GMT -5
what next? you two going to kiss?
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Post by Barrister on Feb 4, 2008 20:42:39 GMT -5
I was thinking of dropping a date-rape drug into Loq's drink at the league meeting.
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Post by Orca on Feb 4, 2008 23:15:36 GMT -5
can't rape the willing
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Post by Guinness on Feb 6, 2008 7:15:12 GMT -5
I think IDP's are the way to go and I'm not opposed to seeing it implemented this year.
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Post by Football Buddah on Feb 6, 2008 8:10:48 GMT -5
My question is what happens when 2 more vote for IDP... then it's a majority.... OR doesn't the vote count? I know I'm the new guy and on the bottom of the pecking order, but do some votes of owners weigh more heavily than others? The vote counts in that it will give me an indication of what is in the best interest of the league (as a whole). A "majority" vote of 9-7, does not tell me that it is in the best interest of the entire league, since that means I'd have 7 unhappy GM's. This doesn't mean I expect a 16-0 vote in order for changes to pass, but rather there needs to be a comfort level with moving forward with a change like this. I have reached out to the remaining GM's who haven't voted yet and I am hoping that they will log-on soon and make their voices heard so that we can move forward, whatever the decision.
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Post by gametime on Feb 6, 2008 8:54:43 GMT -5
My question is what happens when 2 more vote for IDP... then it's a majority.... OR doesn't the vote count? I know I'm the new guy and on the bottom of the pecking order, but do some votes of owners weigh more heavily than others? The vote counts in that it will give me an indication of what is in the best interest of the league (as a whole). A "majority" vote of 9-7, does not tell me that it is in the best interest of the entire league, since that means I'd have 7 unhappy GM's. This doesn't mean I expect a 16-0 vote in order for changes to pass, but rather there needs to be a comfort level with moving forward with a change like this. I have reached out to the remaining GM's who haven't voted yet and I am hoping that they will log-on soon and make their voices heard so that we can move forward, whatever the decision. I'll live with this... but it goes against everything I (and my great country) believe.... Majority rules... Please explain why seven who are against would outweigh the 9 in favor.... So a rule would not go through with this vote? I would than think you would have 9 unhappy owners... which btw is more than the original 9....
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Post by Football Buddah on Feb 6, 2008 9:07:49 GMT -5
It's the new math... it's driving the kids right to the streets!
18.11 Suggestions made by GMs for league improvements will be considered at the discretion of the TBL 2 Commissioner.
I am taking the vote into consideration, but it is not the only deciding factor. When the dust settles and all the GM's have weighed in on this topic, I will make the decision, based on the best interest of the league.
I've heard all the debate from those who have posted and I am taking it into consideration. I'm just waiting to hear from those who HAVEN'T commented yet... (i.e. shut yer trap! haha - just kidding).
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Post by gametime on Feb 6, 2008 9:58:31 GMT -5
it's shut......
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Post by Barrister on Feb 6, 2008 14:02:20 GMT -5
*Thinks better of saying anything....Scampers off and hides behind a rock*
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Post by Das Mannschaft on Feb 6, 2008 18:08:44 GMT -5
I'm for IDPs as long as we have time to prepare for them. The 2008 is way too soon. The more time that you give to prepare for IDPs the more successfull the league will be.
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Post by gametime on Feb 6, 2008 19:33:13 GMT -5
time to prepare? It's f'in February!!!!
BTW that's 9-4 in the voting....
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Post by Orca on Feb 6, 2008 20:59:16 GMT -5
Check the constitution Gametime. When the President Vetos, you need an overwhelming number of votes to push it past him.
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Post by Argonauts on Feb 7, 2008 1:03:50 GMT -5
Rob, let me know a good time to call you. Have not seen you online lately.
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Post by gametime on Feb 7, 2008 6:45:58 GMT -5
Check the constitution Gametime. When the President Vetos, you need an overwhelming number of votes to push it past him. Deomocracy is built on MAJORITY.. Read it anywhere... In case of a presidential veto, 67% is required to overturn the veto. That is the only case where that comes into play.. Currently IDP has 69% of the vote.... You go anywhere in the FF community and ask what people would think of a league where a vote took place, a majority was established, and the rule did not carry because of the minority vote... Please ask around and post the responses here.. I'd love to read them... EDIT: Buddah or Rob.... who hasn't voted.. you should be able to find that out... There are still 3 who haven't and I'd love to hear their thoughts on this issue...
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Post by Football Buddah on Feb 7, 2008 17:03:41 GMT -5
EDIT: Buddah or Rob.... who hasn't voted.. you should be able to find that out... There are still 3 who haven't and I'd love to hear their thoughts on this issue... I have already emailed those who hadn't voted yet. Remember - the poll was only posted on Sunday, so give it some time. What's the rush? Since, as you put it - "it's f'n February!"
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Post by Orca on Feb 7, 2008 20:45:41 GMT -5
Check the constitution Gametime. When the President Vetos, you need an overwhelming number of votes to push it past him. Deomocracy is built on MAJORITY.. Read it anywhere... In case of a presidential veto, 67% is required to overturn the veto. That is the only case where that comes into play.. Currently IDP has 69% of the vote.... You go anywhere in the FF community and ask what people would think of a league where a vote took place, a majority was established, and the rule did not carry because of the minority vote... Please ask around and post the responses here.. I'd love to read them... EDIT: Buddah or Rob.... who hasn't voted.. you should be able to find that out... There are still 3 who haven't and I'd love to hear their thoughts on this issue... My FFL League for one. Then again my league isn't a Democracy. Are you part of a Union Gametime?
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Post by gametime on Feb 7, 2008 22:03:44 GMT -5
Yes and I am a union rep..... So your other league mates would be happy when a rule proposal gets a majority vote and does not get adopted?
This is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard.... And I work with 3rd graders who say rediculous things and this is by far more rediculous than anything I've ever heard.... Hell today, we took a class vote to decide something and majority won... AND THEY UNDERSTOOD AND ACCEPTED THAT!!!
EDIT: If you could give me their emials, I'd love to ask them this myself!
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Post by Rebels GM on Feb 7, 2008 22:20:08 GMT -5
Oh man, you never want to mess with a member of the PSEA! BTW, GT we are profesionals my friend so use the proper terminology brother, it's an association!
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Post by gametime on Feb 7, 2008 22:24:25 GMT -5
I know...... I still call it a union though.... i'm old school! LOL
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Post by Johns Jackrabbits on Feb 7, 2008 22:35:44 GMT -5
I'm PSEA-by-Association (my wife is a Teacher), so can I join your club too???
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Post by Fundy on Feb 8, 2008 0:11:24 GMT -5
I voted indifferent...Dont care either way.
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Post by Barrister on Feb 8, 2008 4:59:53 GMT -5
This is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard.... And I work with 3rd graders who say rediculous things and this is by far more rediculous than anything I've ever heard.... Hell today, we took a class vote to decide something and majority won... AND THEY UNDERSTOOD AND ACCEPTED THAT!!! Unlike ffl's, in most democracies its 'citizens' don't and can't (like students) just up and leave the 'country' if they end up in the minority on a major issue. Having commished a group including cut-throat, mean and nasty, super ego-maniac lawyers for 13 years, I understand Buddah's spot here, and support the Czar-like authority he has to have. EDIT: My wife is a 6th-8th Grade teacher. She tells me her classroom isn't a Democracy; but rather, a "Queendom".
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Post by gametime on Feb 8, 2008 8:23:51 GMT -5
don't EVER mess with a Queendom!!
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Post by Johns Jackrabbits on Feb 8, 2008 8:59:30 GMT -5
I have to tell my wife that one! She'll love it!
She teaches Biology in grades 10-12 in Lawrence County, so she gets some winners there!!! (no offense if you are from Lawrence County!)
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Post by Orca on Feb 8, 2008 19:55:26 GMT -5
Yes and I am a union rep..... So your other league mates would be happy when a rule proposal gets a majority vote and does not get adopted? This is the most rediculous thing I've ever heard.... And I work with 3rd graders who say rediculous things and this is by far more rediculous than anything I've ever heard.... Hell today, we took a class vote to decide something and majority won... AND THEY UNDERSTOOD AND ACCEPTED THAT!!! EDIT: If you could give me their emials, I'd love to ask them this myself! I have to say, I'm not surprised. most everything coming out of your mouth is something I would expect to hear from a teamster.
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Post by gametime on Feb 8, 2008 20:09:24 GMT -5
I know... we look out for each other, not ourselves..... Might be something you should try
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Post by blindsidegm on Feb 8, 2008 22:40:04 GMT -5
Sorry so late on the vote, guys.... really no good excuse. I did vote for the IDP's but I truly understand the worries brought to the table from those who oppose. Am I ambivolent? Well yes, and no (saw that on a T-shirt somewhere).
Leagues that endure evolve. Evolution requires adaptation and accomodation. It is a process. There has to be league stability. Stability comes from everyone feeling that they have a sense of ownership in the league. If seven guys are extremely unhappy and uncomfortable then maybe we should take this slow. There is much time for this league to grow.
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Post by Football Buddah on Feb 9, 2008 9:56:49 GMT -5
This thread was started on Feb 3, 2008, at 1:03pm. In less than 1 week, we had over 400 views, 58+ replies, and 16 GM's who voted on this topic.
As such, I will be taking all of the comments posted here (and elsewhere) into consideration, and I will make a ruling on this topic shortly.
Thank you, TBL2 Commish
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Post by Rebels GM on Feb 9, 2008 10:21:11 GMT -5
GURU, your challenge will be to beat me!
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Post by gametime on Feb 9, 2008 11:20:16 GMT -5
This thread was started on Feb 3, 2008, at 1:03pm. In less than 1 week, we had over 400 views, 58+ replies, and 16 GM's who voted on this topic. As such, I will be taking all of the comments posted here (and elsewhere) into consideration, and I will make a ruling on this topic shortly. Thank you, TBL2 Commish 11-4 ... is it a decision.... WTF? I don't care if it is 9-7 .... decision is made..... Hell, my coaching proposal will be 15-1 .... I hope that gets the same consideration or that doesn't because in that case majority rules..... EDIT: I just think you're setting yourself up here... What purpose i the voting for... Why do it? 11-4... and one of the no's probably was Neil! Any, and all, future votes will be worthless IMO... why vote, when it doesn't matter... Bad precident to set IMO... A vote is just that, a vote .... If more are for than against it's over... I know you've put a ton of effort into this league already.... I truly appreciate it because I know hoe much work goes into running a league.... If you try to make all happy you will create more problems than you want... If it's up to you, don't have a vote... I will live with your decision, but I will be angry that a MAJORITY want something and it doesn't happen.. That's not acting in the best interest of the league IMHO... I know rules have passed in my other league that I don't like to much.. More than half of my owners wanted it, so we adopted it... I live with it... I know most of my owners would still not be with me if I sided with the minority (and it was a hell of a lot closer than this issue..)... That's being fair and equal... Honestly, if this does not go through I will vote undecided on all votes here on because they count for nothing! I'm not trying to be a dick here, and I know most already don't like me, but I have to voice my opinion on this... I've never heard of anything like this before.. and I've been around for a while now.. Been in too many leagues, seen too many things happen.... All I ever ask is for a competitive league (this definitely looks like it) with active owners (definitely has it), and fairness... I have not heard one good complaint against except (I have no draft picks... boo fuckng hoo... No first rounders this year or next either).... Need time to prepare ( that's an argument in Feb... elite owners???).... I'm done on this issue.... No more comments.. I will call in because I am as active as they come... I have nothing to say though... There is no discussion on this issue... It's resolved.... Sorry to vent.. start bashing me now.....
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