|
|
Post by fbguru on Apr 16, 2008 18:56:52 GMT -5
guys,
i don't like combining both TBL and TBL2 in these contests. We should have it just for us and they have their own.
the reason is, there is a lot of BLBs if you win and whos to say all winners come from one league.
i think if you want to do it conbined, fine, but the top 5 in each league should get blbs,.no the top 5 of both leagues combined. afterall, the TBL and TBL2 are seperate leagues. make our contests seperate.
|
|
|
|
Post by Football Buddah on Apr 17, 2008 8:16:04 GMT -5
Another problem is the fact that there isn't a site out there that will allow us to run it as a GROUP (like we did with the NCAA).
NFL.com and FFToday.com both have the NFL Draft "Forecast" pick'em challenge, but it's on an individual entry basis only.
I think the idea that Guru has about the top winners from each league getting payouts is a better idea than splitting the game into two separate ones. If so, I'd suggest it be the top 5 from each league then with payouts of: 50, 40, 30, 20 and 10 for the top 5 from each league - plus 10 blb's for everybody who particpates.
That does make the payouts more equitable across both leagues. Any other thoughts?
|
|
|
|
Post by Orca on Apr 17, 2008 17:08:18 GMT -5
ESPN has one every year. I've already told Andy I think the BLB reward is way to high for these contests.
|
|
|
|
Post by gametime on Apr 17, 2008 19:09:58 GMT -5
I do think 100 blbs is a lot for the winner... That's one full season's worth for winning one little contest... What does the Super Bowl winner get???
|
|
|
|
Post by JagerBombs on Apr 17, 2008 19:13:58 GMT -5
Just curious why the payouts are affected on whether its TBL2 only or a combined pick'em. I agree the payouts are a little high, but now we are talking about giving the winner of a NFL pick'em contest only the same amount of the 3rd place NCAA pool winner. Seems the football pool should at least be as much as the corresponding basketball pool of the same year considering this is a fantasy FOOTBALL league. I do agree we should keep the leagues seperate so there are 5 winners in each league, but just seems the amounts should stay the same until next season when both pools payouts can be adjusted.
|
|
|
|
Post by Rebels GM on Apr 17, 2008 20:51:09 GMT -5
The reason the BLB amount were so high is because of the combined effort. The fact that 100 is so much makes it rewarding if someone wins it and that way it does not necessarily have a major impact in the league, just a chance for the winner.
I could really care less if we do a combined effort or not, but I think if we go seperate we should reduce the BLB totals immediately
|
|
|
|
Post by Orca on Apr 17, 2008 21:30:00 GMT -5
I've already added this to my list of rule changes in the coming off season. right now everything should stay as is. Rule changes should always be made in the off season. BEFORE the event takes place.
I will propose we reduce the overall payout and keep the leagues separate. Why they were ever combined makes no sense. They're not even the same league at all....are they Rob?
|
|
|
|
Post by Johns Jackrabbits on Apr 17, 2008 21:44:08 GMT -5
Well, why did we combine the basketball challenge then? Should that have not been separate also? The leagues share the same name, but they are 2 completely different things. Why did no one question the combined effort then? Just throwing out my 2-cents...
|
|
|
|
Post by Football Buddah on Apr 18, 2008 11:59:59 GMT -5
A couple of things -
1. This is not a "rule" change that requires an off-season vote or anything like that, therefore any awards for BLB's for this type of challenge can, and will, be made when the game happens. For those of you from the RZB may recall, the payouts we had for these challenges last year were 50, 40, 30, 20 and 10.
2. The fact that we combined both leagues for the NCAA pool and had a 100 BLB payout for that has no bearing on what we will do for the NFL Draft pick'em challenge.
There were several questions raised when we did the NCAA pool regarding combining the leagues into one pool, as well as the decision to do a 100 BLB payout for 1st place. However, the fact that we did that for the NCAA pool, does not automatically mean we have to do it for the Football pool. I'm not interested in the fact that it was a Basketball-related challenge, and this is a Football-related challenge; the intent of these types of challenges are to give the GM's something to do during the off-season in order to acquire more BLB's for their teams.
What we learned from the NCAA pool is that combining both leagues into one pool (for one payout) was probably not the best idea, becuase it did not allow for an equitable distribution of BLB's for BOTH leagues. But, we did it, it's done, we move on. It doesn't mean that we have to do it that way for every pool for the rest of 2008 just becasue that one was first.
100 BLB's is way too much to award for these types of off-season challenge's. Rob had nothing but good intentions when he came up with that payout scheme because he figured that the level of competition would be higher with more GM's involved. However, I'm sure he'll agree (lookng back now) that it just didn't work out exactly as he anticipated.
For the NFL Draft Pick'em challenge, the proposal to have the top 5 winners from EACH league is more than fair, as it addresses the concerns raised during the NCAA pool. There's no reason why both leagues can't be merged together for these types of challeges so that the "rules" and tracking are all under one roof, but by making the payouts available to the top 5 winners from EACH league, I believe that satisfies the equal distribution. That also means that the payouts are going to be reduced from 100 BLB's for 1st place, to 50 BLB's.
Remember - this is an OPTION to allow you to earn more BLB's. You don't have to participate if you don't want to, however I would love to see all 28 teams (TBL and TBL2) participate.
On another note - ESPN.com STILL hasn't opened up their Draft Challenge - so, I will assume that they won't be this year. I will be emailing an Excel spreadsheet to each GM for them to fill out and return to me by 2:30pm on Saturday 4/26 - which is 30 minutes prior to Draft time.
Rules and payouts will be listed separately.
|
|
|
|
Post by Rebels GM on Apr 18, 2008 15:09:21 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree totally. Not a huge fan of the 100 BLBs, but initially what Buddah and I were talking about was a "buy-in" pool that GMs of both leagues could play in at a certain cost of BLBs. Thats why the awards were so high in the first place, but Buddah and I decided that it would be better not to charge GMs a fee and instead award them for being active.
I think the changes that Andy made to the revised game is fair and equitable for all.
|
|
|
|
Post by Orca on Apr 18, 2008 17:21:25 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by Football Buddah on Apr 19, 2008 20:05:35 GMT -5
I did see this on NFL.com - and there is one on FFToday.com as well, but the problem is - these are both "individual" games. I was looking for something that could allow us to set up a Group (like the NCAA pool did) and make private, but there was nothing out there. ESPN's "Draft Forecast" last year was perfect, but it still says, "Coming Soon for 2008" - which it's been saying for the past few weeks. I emailed ESPN.com last week and they said they had no information on if they were going to have that again this year. Very odd, but we'll manage manually. Thanks for looking though. |
|
