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Post by fbguru on Feb 2, 2008 17:03:08 GMT -5
ok, i still don't see how implementing IDP's effects what anyone did last year. I look at it this way, I took over a team that was solid, but implementing IDP's will not cause me to lose Romo or Addai or Owens or anyone else. BUT, a team like Buddah (sorry buddy) who only has one or two guys that are of interest has a better chance to compete now.
2010? 2009? I think that is really overdoing this dynasty league. The structure Buddah proposed enables us to immediately implement IDP without compromising the moves people made last year.
From what I heard, IDP's were discussed and on the horizone so players like Loquist would eventaully have to take into consideration moves for IDP's. What I am reading from the nay sayers is they built their teams to win NOW and want to win NOW and do not want to be challenged and rather "just win baby".
Buddah's plan works and with others input will enable it to work in 2008. You do not lose roster spots, draft picks, BLB...nothing...its almost like having a start up draft of IDP's and adding it to your already in place team.
I am reading fear.
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Post by gametime on Feb 2, 2008 18:08:12 GMT -5
I'm with you guru..... Two or three years to implement 7 spots.... come on I thought this was the BIG league.... If need be, I'll poay each of you.... my god.... It's not like we're reinventing the wheel.... It's football.... add 25 contract years, establish scoring, set up a 4 round supplemental draft for only IDP and it's done.... My god.......
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Post by Orca on Feb 2, 2008 19:41:57 GMT -5
why 2009 and not 2010?
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Post by Orca on Feb 2, 2008 19:44:54 GMT -5
why 2009 and not 2010? In 2009 I have a total of one draft pick. This isn't as big a deal to my team with the current roster setup. Basically all my player positions are filled. This will not be the case once we introduce IDP and will set me at a disadvantage to other owners if IDP's are introduced in 2009
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Post by Rebels GM on Feb 2, 2008 20:06:00 GMT -5
we would need to expand the draft to at least 7 rounds if we ass IDP anyway
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Post by gametime on Feb 2, 2008 20:47:06 GMT -5
Sounds to me loqutis is just upset he has no draft picks... Who traded them away? I don't have first round picks this year or next either... I'm not bellyaching about it... Just make it simple the draft cannot have any IDP's taken....business as usual..... Once completed have a second draft just for IDP's....... I can't believe this is such a big deal..... got Rob take BLB's from me and give them to the people who have defense, coaches, wr, te, k, rb's I don't care! I don't understand why it would take 2 years to implement a change..... Been in FF for over 15 years, have done almost every type of system (not like this Credit to you Rob!!!) and have seen far more major changes occur in an offseason than this.....
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Post by Wonderlickers on Feb 2, 2008 22:52:51 GMT -5
I'm all for changes now, in 2008...not 2009 or 2010...
Juggernauts idea for a separate IDP auction draft solves Loqutis' problems...we all start on the same playing field for IDP's. Hell, even make the draft order random for the IDP draft so Rob's daughter can pull my name last again (JK, it wasn't her fault!)
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Post by fbguru on Feb 3, 2008 9:40:41 GMT -5
So loq is only interested inthebest interest of his team and notthe best interest of TBL2. I understand what you are saying but you are the only one say ing. you whored out your picks in attempt to win it all last year, basically mortgaging your future and now you want the rest of the league to revolve around what you did.
thats pretty messed up dude.
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Post by gametime on Feb 3, 2008 10:13:18 GMT -5
Let me clear the air here.....
I feel like I have rubbed some of you the wrong way... I apologize for that.... I am a diehard FFer.... I don't play for money... I play to WIN! If I don't I am not a good LOSER! Unlike some here, I always will try to act in the best interest of a league. I am very grateful to Rob for giving me the chance to participate in this league.... I love to talk some smack... I will never personally attack anyone and I will always try to keep it clean... Just adds to the fun for me.. I think I know who I can and can't talk to already... Ask anyone that knows me from my Logo Needs days, I go out of my way to help people out...
With that said, some just seem to complain because of the situation they are in.. THEY got in that situation... The great owners can adapt.... If anyone could complain possibly the 4 new guys like myself could... And I am in a great situation (Thanks to Rob's wonderful daughter!!!) .... The returnees have a HUGE advantage on us as you understand the rules/system already... (This is probably one of, if no the, most advanced system out there) I will not bellyache or complain... I will make my voice heard... If you don't know, I think coaches in FF is the most rediculous thing .... especially when they have such an impact...
Rob and the rest, I look forward to this league more than you know... I plan on winning, will lose some games, will be cranky, but will rebound to win again! If I go to far, please just let me know... I don't take anything personally....
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Post by Barrister on Feb 3, 2008 11:05:54 GMT -5
Let me clear the air here.....I feel like I have rubbed some of you the wrong way... I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.... It's about f*cking time!  |
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Post by gametime on Feb 3, 2008 11:22:28 GMT -5
I meant to say I apolize to all except you.......
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Post by Football Buddah on Feb 3, 2008 13:12:23 GMT -5
All - please review and vote on my proposal in the following thread: thebigleague.proboards18.com/index.cgi?board=changesI believe that I have come up with a plan that will allow us to incorporate the IDP's without putting a GM's future resources at a disadvantage. |
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Post by Orca on Feb 3, 2008 14:17:15 GMT -5
Sounds to me loqutis is just upset he has no draft picks... Who traded them away? I don't have first round picks this year or next either... I'm not bellyaching about it... Just make it simple the draft cannot have any IDP's taken....business as usual..... Once completed have a second draft just for IDP's....... I can't believe this is such a big deal..... got Rob take BLB's from me and give them to the people who have defense, coaches, wr, te, k, rb's I don't care! I don't understand why it would take 2 years to implement a change..... Been in FF for over 15 years, have done almost every type of system (not like this Credit to you Rob!!!) and have seen far more major changes occur in an offseason than this..... That's right I am upset about a MAJOR rule change. The fact that you feel it's business as usual surprises me. It's clearly a huge change to the design of the league and something that will alter the way the game is played. Why is it such a huge deal to wait? If IDPs are no big deal than let's not implement them at all. |
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Post by Football Buddah on Feb 3, 2008 15:21:14 GMT -5
That's right I am upset about a MAJOR rule change. The fact that you feel it's business as usual surprises me. It's clearly a huge change to the design of the league and something that will alter the way the game is played. Why is it such a huge deal to wait? If IDPs are no big deal than let's not implement them at all. I guess I'm more interested in why it's such a huge deal to implement it now? Especially based on the proposal that I posted earlier. Just like your suggestion of eliminating the bonuses for QB completions, or others suggestsions of changing the scoring for the HC position, there are GM's that would be impacted by those changes as well, but they are willing to move with the changes, for the best interest of the league. My proposal would have no impact to the existing teams as nobody would be losing any current players. It would ensure that all GM's are on the same playing field with IDP's (based on auction draft and roster limits). Similar to those who would be impacted by a HC scoring change or a QB scoring change, I ask that you, too, have an open mind and accept the change, for the betterment of the league - and not just for how it may impact your team. |
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Post by fbguru on Feb 3, 2008 15:22:53 GMT -5
Rule change? to me a rule change is only being able to play 2 rbs and not have a flex position and you made trades and moves so you could have 3 stud rbs's. Or, we decided to change the scoring,etc.
This is a league expansion which DOES NOT EFFECT YOUR CURRENT ROSTER!
and answer this LOQ, your so worried about not having draft picks to draft IDP's going forward, uh, you didn;t seem to care about draft picks when you traded them so why having them now is so important?
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Post by gametime on Feb 3, 2008 15:24:11 GMT -5
Spoken like a true commish..... Buddah's proposal is completely fair to all. It doesn't impact anyone in one way or another.... I don't see the argument here... It's not changing a thing..it's adding to the league....
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Post by fbguru on Feb 3, 2008 15:45:14 GMT -5
Amen Brother! I say we need to look at the big picture
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Post by gametime on Feb 3, 2008 15:59:49 GMT -5
I see it.... It's getting clearer.... No coaches in '08......... hold on... bit fuzzy.... yes... IDP in '08........ hold on clearer yet.... AP running wild........even clearer....... Juggernauts win championship.........CRYSTAL CLEAR!
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Post by gametime on Feb 3, 2008 16:00:28 GMT -5
I think Guru is my long lost brother... we seem to agree on everything!
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Post by Rebels GM on Feb 3, 2008 16:08:17 GMT -5
While I am all for adding IDPs to this league and I believe that it will make the league better I don't want to do something that causes this league to take ANY steps backwards and lose any of the great members in this league and it seems like there are some who feel very strongly that if we add IDPs we do it in 2009 or 2010. What I think is more than fair and will make everyone happy in the long run is adding them in 2009 if we vote on this.
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Post by gametime on Feb 3, 2008 16:10:20 GMT -5
Isn't that what a vote is for? Majority rules... Country is based on that principle.....
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Post by fbguru on Feb 3, 2008 16:35:58 GMT -5
juggernauts, the fact that anyone agrees with me about anything is amazing. but, don't kiss up to me, whether we agree on things or not, i will still flatten you when we play.
vote is what this country and our league is based on.
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Post by gametime on Feb 3, 2008 16:57:23 GMT -5
I kiss up to no one...
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Post by Football Buddah on Feb 3, 2008 23:02:13 GMT -5
While I am all for adding IDPs to this league and I believe that it will make the league better I don't want to do something that causes this league to take ANY steps backwards and lose any of the great members in this league and it seems like there are some who feel very strongly that if we add IDPs we do it in 2009 or 2010. What I think is more than fair and will make everyone happy in the long run is adding them in 2009 if we vote on this. Has anybody come up with a plan on HOW to incorporate them in 2009, or 2010 for that matter? That's all I keep reading. "you can't do it in 2008". Yet, I have given a detailed proposal on how we CAN add it - and I have yet to see anybody tell me what they found wrong with it - in it's current state. So, if adding it in 2009 is fair - how would we do it? |
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Post by Wonderlickers on Feb 4, 2008 8:37:18 GMT -5
I believe step A of that plan would be to stick our thumbs up our a$$ for the entire 2008 season. They can tell you the rest...
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Post by gametime on Feb 4, 2008 10:15:53 GMT -5
I think we should wait until 2014.... that way we all can adequately prepare for the large amount of additions to the team (ALL 8 of them!!!)
I still need someone to explain how this is a change to the current system.. It is an addition, not a subtraction or change.... And IDP has a 2-1 vote in favor of...... What purpose does voting have in this league?
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Post by condors on Feb 4, 2008 10:51:07 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority here and may be the only one who is against adding IDP's at all. I've tryed 2 leagues with IDP's and got out of both. That being said, I plan on sticking with this one but feel that adding it now is unfair to those who traded future picks based on the current rules. This does not include me as I have several picks, but completely agree with those who are without.
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Post by Rebels GM on Feb 4, 2008 11:07:47 GMT -5
I am all for adding IDPs and I believe we can do this in a manner that will make everyone happy. I think Buddah's plan is fair and doable but we just need to make sure we take everyone's feedback and concerns into account.
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Post by fbguru on Feb 4, 2008 12:08:41 GMT -5
I understand the lack of draft pick, but i think based on Buddah's proposal, that won't matter at all. If you don't like them, that is fine, I don;t like defense/ST or head coach but so be it.
I am still waiting for a reply on why we need to wait for IDP's that has to do with the league and not someone's individual preference or dislike.
what really, really concerns me is the GM's who do not want IDPs at all. Uh, this was something that was on the horizon. So that tells me is those guys will be quitting then. so, why should we hold back IDP's for guys who will be gone in 1-2 years anyone because they are wimps and can't handle IDP?
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Post by gametime on Feb 4, 2008 12:26:53 GMT -5
I know I'm in the minority here and may be the only one who is against adding IDP's at all. I've tryed 2 leagues with IDP's and got out of both. That being said, I plan on sticking with this one but feel that adding it now is unfair to those who traded future picks based on the current rules. This does not include me as I have several picks, but completely agree with those who are without. I have no first round picks, am new and still learning a complicated system... The people without are just complaining to complain.... Take what's left of my picks and give it to the ones complaining.... I don't care..... I like a challenge and welcome it...... |
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